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that's where qualcomm has been beating them. >>> let's swap topic and talk about how apple stock has decline. the latest news over china, it's ramping up protection for the iphone 5s. karnry are you a buyer? i think the risk is more that it goes up than it goes down at this point. >> jon fortt, is it down and out? >> well, probably not out, but look, i think we have to see what their response is to the lower end and mid fehr saturdayphone tend. do they have to sacrifice margins? of course we see the chinese economy looking iffy lately. we'll look to see how confident they feel about that. >> let's finally turn to dell, a deal that icahn has doone. he says he will limit half his stake at 10%. in return he'll get information that management says will maximize the chances of elitting a superior proposal. john karney, a good idea on behalf of the incumbents? >> look, i have to say wouldn't it be fansic to be carl icahn. wouldn't it be please don't spend more money and we'll give you better access? he's win in a deal, and he's won in this one. sure, i'll keep more of my cash to myself, an
that's where qualcomm has been beating them. >>> let's swap topic and talk about how apple stock has decline. the latest news over china, it's ramping up protection for the iphone 5s. karnry are you a buyer? i think the risk is more that it goes up than it goes down at this point. >> jon fortt, is it down and out? >> well, probably not out, but look, i think we have to see what their response is to the lower end and mid fehr saturdayphone tend. do they have to sacrifice...
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that creates opportunity, because when you have that -- >> opportunities for apple. >> to get into apple. cuts stocks like that. when you have a change in ownership, that's significant. it creates a wonderful opportunity. because you've got a big group leaving, a big group coming in. >> ann abigail, let me go to you. you're quite pessimistic. we welcome you on the show. you have been ae a pessimist. but things have been more optimistic. you're looking for big, big decline. i want you to talk about that. i want you to tell our viewers why you think we're really headed for a problem. >> well, the reason that i -- my work starts with the technical. so we have seen a strong rally out of november. nearly 20% move up. but it's bearish. the buyers are becoming less certain up here. and this really mimics what we have seen in the first and second quarter of 2012 and 2011, quite frankly, where we have this competing battle between not so great fundamentals and then the fed liquidity. that doesn't tend to breed trust. in fact, i would say it probably swings things the other way. so even though buy
that creates opportunity, because when you have that -- >> opportunities for apple. >> to get into apple. cuts stocks like that. when you have a change in ownership, that's significant. it creates a wonderful opportunity. because you've got a big group leaving, a big group coming in. >> ann abigail, let me go to you. you're quite pessimistic. we welcome you on the show. you have been ae a pessimist. but things have been more optimistic. you're looking for big, big decline. i...
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let me mention apple very quickly. the hope here is for a special dividend, increase the dividend to over a 3% yield and start with the big buyback. that's the big hope there. nobody's expecting them to blow the cover off of any of these numbers and all of them have been coming down. >> guys, back to you. >> watching microsoft continue to gain now up 4.5% and let's head over to the nasdaq which partly is a result of that is outperforming, sema moti and it's back above the 52-day moving average. investors are slightly on edge ahead of the the tech earnings and all eyes on apple as bob was mentioning. a lot of conflicting calls from analysts ahead of its earnings report tomorrow. analysts focused on sales of its iphone and any clarity around its capital allocation strategy. bbc partners this morning upgrading the stock to buy. communication players also reporting this week. isi group reporting that broadcom, xilinx and lacked the right combination of favorable setup and strong, foreign ministerial support to expect event
let me mention apple very quickly. the hope here is for a special dividend, increase the dividend to over a 3% yield and start with the big buyback. that's the big hope there. nobody's expecting them to blow the cover off of any of these numbers and all of them have been coming down. >> guys, back to you. >> watching microsoft continue to gain now up 4.5% and let's head over to the nasdaq which partly is a result of that is outperforming, sema moti and it's back above the 52-day...
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talking about their outlook on apple, the platform. people's confidence. >> i see no wayning in the enthusiasm to develop for the platform. more than half of the start-ups that are products that are launching here are on the apple platform. >> one in particular said look, it's still the platform to go for. just because the stock is back to you. >> you also have to bear in mind that you have a lot of concern. the dollar is higher and tech stocks generally make 40% of their profits in europe. >> saying its margins for the fourth quarter will be weaker than expected. barclays cutting its stock to 28 bucks. including tech, broad come. so a tough day for tech. >> the dough now experiencing its third straight session. remember, monday down 265. yesterday up 150 and that's where we stand at the moment. >> i don't like what i'm seeing. here is what's the problem. we're in an up market. the stock market trend was to the upside. now we have two days. a monday and a wednesday. 90% of the volume to the downside. two separate days. this is one thin
talking about their outlook on apple, the platform. people's confidence. >> i see no wayning in the enthusiasm to develop for the platform. more than half of the start-ups that are products that are launching here are on the apple platform. >> one in particular said look, it's still the platform to go for. just because the stock is back to you. >> you also have to bear in mind that you have a lot of concern. the dollar is higher and tech stocks generally make 40% of their...
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. >> an apple away may keep the doctor away but does apple the company need healing of its own? a big shareholder is here with changes he says must happen to turn the stock around. is the economy about to turn down? more weak numbers today. we'll talk the economic fate of 2013. plus if the newspaper business is dying, why are newspaper stocks flying? we're going to take you inside best buy's big new bet. mandy? >> the nasdaq is now rising around the break even mark for the month of april even though the dow and s&p are still favoritable for the month. >> i have waited a while. with a respectable amount of time. 30% of the s&p 500 has reported. look at thooes declines today. it's a big issue. let me show you the decrease in top line growth that we have seen. just a year and a half ago we were getting 10% increases in the top line. look all the way up here. look how this has decelerated. we're looking at 2.9%. if this continues we will have almost 0. the average is 61%. let me just show you what is going on today. we have got a lousy economic data out of europe. we have got all th
. >> an apple away may keep the doctor away but does apple the company need healing of its own? a big shareholder is here with changes he says must happen to turn the stock around. is the economy about to turn down? more weak numbers today. we'll talk the economic fate of 2013. plus if the newspaper business is dying, why are newspaper stocks flying? we're going to take you inside best buy's big new bet. mandy? >> the nasdaq is now rising around the break even mark for the month of...
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. >> and then, how about apple? hovering around $400 a share, failing to impress shareholders with t earnings last night. but is wall street just overreacting to what is still a very profitable, strong company? >> tim cook admits, they are a mature technology company. doesn't make them a bad company, though, right? >> but does it make them valued at 700? >> that's the question. >> just how big a threat are the hacks like we saw at that fake ap tweet yesterday to the market's integrity. cfte commissioner bart shulton weighs in on that. he wrote an op-ed piece today and we'll get his comments, coming up. >> the dow jones industrial average down just a fraction. been a negative day all day, but we are off of the worst levels, 14,712, last trade of the blue chip average. nasdaq looks like this, highest level of the day. in positive territory, keeping in positive territory with a gain of about seven points but a quarter of a percent. s&p 500 looks like this, similar chart pattern as the nasdaq, where it too hovers a to t
. >> and then, how about apple? hovering around $400 a share, failing to impress shareholders with t earnings last night. but is wall street just overreacting to what is still a very profitable, strong company? >> tim cook admits, they are a mature technology company. doesn't make them a bad company, though, right? >> but does it make them valued at 700? >> that's the question. >> just how big a threat are the hacks like we saw at that fake ap tweet yesterday to...
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they have apple in them. that's probably why they are outperforming on the downside even more than the dow. the nasdaq now below its 50-day moving average. we're also going to be talking a lot about gold and copper to see what they are telling us when it comes to the world economy and what clues they can provide to the sell-off we're seeing today. the renewed sell-off after yesterday's rebound. here's what we're following -- golden student. it's the widowmaker of the year, but the sell-off in gold, and miners, that we'll be talking about. is it overdone? jenna godfrey will join us. bank on morgan stanley. bankers aric thatting a beating after bank of america's weak report. will morgan stanley post better results? two of our traders debate. >>> first, the top story. the sell-off returns. energy, technology, financials, industrials leading the declines. consumer staples doing poorly as well, and theoretically they should be a defensive sector. what is the way to navigate the massive moves this week? good thing
they have apple in them. that's probably why they are outperforming on the downside even more than the dow. the nasdaq now below its 50-day moving average. we're also going to be talking a lot about gold and copper to see what they are telling us when it comes to the world economy and what clues they can provide to the sell-off we're seeing today. the renewed sell-off after yesterday's rebound. here's what we're following -- golden student. it's the widowmaker of the year, but the sell-off in...
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all right, let's say apple's report is better than the posting numbers on a lot of websites but beats what is the high man, some call at this time whisper, the high man the analyst with the high estimates on the street. that, people, will always cause a raising of numbers for the rest of the year by everyone or if it is the end of the year for the numbers in the year after it. i use that increase in earnings per share, the ones that they bump it, okay, to figure out several things. first, i try to figure out the increases from real business, actual sales, do they do better? not just accounting changes. the latter fools a lot of people. to do what i like to do, i look at the revenue shares. why is that important in the because they can produce more, gain more customers either at the expense of others, execution, they're making a better job. they're doing a better company. they're working harder. they're working it better. but a company can easily change the earnings, not the sales line, but the earning, simply changes the denom ter, the in of shares, revenue growth, particularly the ho
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and apple, down again below 400 bucks. earnings next week, but apple down nearly 3% right now at 391 bucks. guys, back to you. >> lowest since december of '11. thanks, josh. see you later. ubs chairman axel vaber says he thinks investors are in a state of uncertainty. maria bartiromo sat down with mr. vaber in this exclusive interview. >> dr. axel, good to have you on the program. thanks so much for joining us once again. >> a pleasure. >> are you seeing a change in terms of investor attitudes towards capital markets, towards equities in particular, given the fact that recently we've seen a little volatility in the market. are you seeing clients change their strategies? >> well, very clearly, clients at the moment are very uncertain. so i would say we're seeing it pretty much a hands-off period in the market again. january, february, was pretty good in that sense, that the market was actually still running well, but march was more difficult for everyone. so clients are, at the moment, still in a high degree of uncertainty.
and apple, down again below 400 bucks. earnings next week, but apple down nearly 3% right now at 391 bucks. guys, back to you. >> lowest since december of '11. thanks, josh. see you later. ubs chairman axel vaber says he thinks investors are in a state of uncertainty. maria bartiromo sat down with mr. vaber in this exclusive interview. >> dr. axel, good to have you on the program. thanks so much for joining us once again. >> a pleasure. >> are you seeing a change in...
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>> apple. >> because it's an ipad. >> exactly. ipads there and other companies, google nexus is a big one. samsung has some coming down the line here. we'll diversify away from the ipad but intel is underrepresented there. >> what about these new half tablet, half pc things that are half clam shell but you can pull them apart. does intel have a chance to lead there? >> there are a number of factors. the one you're referring to is a convertible. they are really focused more on ultrabooks and sliders where you can actually slide the top display and flip it over and it turns into a tablet. >> they are expensive and haeav, right? >> some ultrabooks will be priced at 499 this year. that's a new low price point for them. >> the stuff with intel in that their bragging rights have to do with manufacturing process and how well they're doing there. is that a reason to buy the stock? when gross margins go up, i heard that you buy stock when margins are rising and sell it when they're going back down. are either one of those factors enough to offset what's happening in pcs? >> a sticking point wi
>> apple. >> because it's an ipad. >> exactly. ipads there and other companies, google nexus is a big one. samsung has some coming down the line here. we'll diversify away from the ipad but intel is underrepresented there. >> what about these new half tablet, half pc things that are half clam shell but you can pull them apart. does intel have a chance to lead there? >> there are a number of factors. the one you're referring to is a convertible. they are really...
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apple. the company saying as it prepares to return cash, more cash to shareholders, it will plan to take on some debt as a way of managing its cash balance. the company for a long time prided itself on having zero debt. soon that will end. the company nonetheless saying they are confident in their ability to churn out new products in the future. beat back its rivals and pointing out that the ipad mini and ipad in general doing very well versus low cost rivals and the iphone had a quarter better than many analysts expected upwards of 37 million units sold. guys, back to you. >> let's get a check now of european markets and after a session yesterday where pretty much no sector was in the red, we're seeing more differentiation this morning. want to look at banks in particular because we're getting that flow of earnings out. we are seeing positive responses from barclays and credit suisse. rbs up 1.5% as well lloyd's is up despite sale of branches to a company in the u.k. and also we're respondi
apple. the company saying as it prepares to return cash, more cash to shareholders, it will plan to take on some debt as a way of managing its cash balance. the company for a long time prided itself on having zero debt. soon that will end. the company nonetheless saying they are confident in their ability to churn out new products in the future. beat back its rivals and pointing out that the ipad mini and ipad in general doing very well versus low cost rivals and the iphone had a quarter better...
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we need to see -- you know -- apple's become those people in the apple ad, those weird apple ad at the super bowl and samsung's come along with this hammer and broke -- they're all apple executives and you need to see apple come up and say, you what? we have it. we have the holy grail which is a combination of this thing that you need and that thing you need. we'll focus the numbers and we'll focus on texas instruments. is it a numbers story? is apple just another stock and if it's another stock then maybe you should get a nine multiple and go higher, but i would like to see, look, if mcdonald's can come out with killer products, apple -- are they both technology companies? is that where we are right now? >> apple has come out with incredible products. amazing products that have changed the world. >> that was the old days and the yankees used to be -- >> the ipad is only three years old, man. come on, give them a break. >> no. the market won't give them a break. i like the product, but who am i? >> that's complicated. >> it was not a rhetorical -- you know, we're not trying to figure o
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. >> is facebook developing a phone device, like apple did iphone? >> no. we're working on building software that can be used on all phones. >> their latest product is messages, which combines email, cell phone texting, and instant messages into one. they call it the ultimate switchboard. so do you think email will become obsolete? no. >> i'm not sure. but what we've found is that more people are using messages-- are moving away from email. and so if we build a really compelling experience, i think people are going to switch over. but i'm not going to call the end of anything. >> was this directed at gmail? >> no. >> google's email? >> no. >> because everybody's talking about a gmail killer. >> it's certainly what everyone's writing about. >> google... >> yes. >> facebook and google. >> yes. >> are they on a collision course? >> they are indeed. >> the fight's over what? it's over how-- >> search. how people find, discovery, search. >> say you want to buy a car. you can type "prius" on google and get publicly available information. or you can type "prius" o
. >> is facebook developing a phone device, like apple did iphone? >> no. we're working on building software that can be used on all phones. >> their latest product is messages, which combines email, cell phone texting, and instant messages into one. they call it the ultimate switchboard. so do you think email will become obsolete? no. >> i'm not sure. but what we've found is that more people are using messages-- are moving away from email. and so if we build a really...
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it's just -- people love their apple, they hate their apple and they have feelings about apple. >> i love that light saber sound effect. let's get to the economics calendar, thank you very much. here is today's calendar. and it is very housing focused. at 9:00 eastern, you get the fhfa house price index. an hour later, march new home sales. they're expected to rise by 0.7%. we'll watch the home builders like lenar, etcetera, on those. also at 10:00 eastern, is the richmond fed survey. becky talked about some stocks. we're hitting on dupont. let's check on the broader markets. oil down about 0.9%. 88.39. brent crude down a little more, down 1%. rbob gasoline, because, really, you don't care about gasolioil. you care about gasoline, right? >> it's come down significantly. >> yeah, it has, which is good because that may counteract the effects of the payroll tax high. what about gold? let's check the commodities like gold, the ten-year. down about 7%. 7 bucks to $1414. there's been a bit of a move in sort of the euro. we want to keep an eye on that. there's your currency chart here in th
it's just -- people love their apple, they hate their apple and they have feelings about apple. >> i love that light saber sound effect. let's get to the economics calendar, thank you very much. here is today's calendar. and it is very housing focused. at 9:00 eastern, you get the fhfa house price index. an hour later, march new home sales. they're expected to rise by 0.7%. we'll watch the home builders like lenar, etcetera, on those. also at 10:00 eastern, is the richmond fed survey....
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apple is set to report results tomorrow. profits are forecast to drop 18% as samsung and other rivals take market shares in tablets and smartphones. revenues expected to increase 8%, but that would actually be one of the weakest quarters in years. citigroup analyst gwen young expects apple to report earnings at the low end of guidance, reflecting softer demand for the iphone 5 and the iphone 4 and to guide third quarter below market forecast. citi says any production delays in the upcoming iphone s could -- weakness for the stock. according to research firm burini associates, options on friday suggest it could move 7.5%, and that could take cares as high as $419 and or as low as $360. it's a big one to watch. it's included a lot of funds just because of its size. so a really important one for the market. chances are you are probably impacted. >> courtney, good to see you. i should mentions, too, the number of people who i speak with them informally talk about whether they're playing out apple. lots of people speculating in t
apple is set to report results tomorrow. profits are forecast to drop 18% as samsung and other rivals take market shares in tablets and smartphones. revenues expected to increase 8%, but that would actually be one of the weakest quarters in years. citigroup analyst gwen young expects apple to report earnings at the low end of guidance, reflecting softer demand for the iphone 5 and the iphone 4 and to guide third quarter below market forecast. citi says any production delays in the upcoming...
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apple did fall below that $400 mark. it did knock down stocks across the globe, particularly in asia. its suppliers and tech stocks generally seen as exposed to the country's weakness after it was warned that revenue for that cup wasn't going to be that strong thanks to its one big customer, i.e., apple. >>> the ftse cnbc global 300 just a little lower on the day. we'll look at european markets for that. we are rebounding a little bit after yesterday's weak session. the xetra dax downing 0.6%. that's about a quarter of the move that we saw yesterday. indeed, eegan jones did come out and downgrade moody's in its annual statement reiterating the outlook for that country. the ftse 100, ftse mib are adding better than 0.8% for italy which is going through the process of selecting its next president. there is hope that at least this will help keep the country on track. moving to the bond's space span was just out with an auction. we saw healthy demand, low themes continue for the economy generally speaking in that it hasn't h
apple did fall below that $400 mark. it did knock down stocks across the globe, particularly in asia. its suppliers and tech stocks generally seen as exposed to the country's weakness after it was warned that revenue for that cup wasn't going to be that strong thanks to its one big customer, i.e., apple. >>> the ftse cnbc global 300 just a little lower on the day. we'll look at european markets for that. we are rebounding a little bit after yesterday's weak session. the xetra dax...
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i think apple -- i have apple products. i love them. i think apple is doing a great job, but at the same time in this, this is a stock market and this is a sheer, difficult, harsh, judging machine that is the stock market, and i think tim cook is making a great product. apple's making a great product, but we already have one and we already have a lot of the stock and we don't want as much. am i being harsh? i'm saying the analyst community is harsh. now, procter & gamble, i know it's not what everybody wanted today, but do you remember the open rebellion of procter & gamble at 63 and mcdonald's said you know what? let's blow the darn thing up and give what the analysts want and the stock goes from 63 to 80 and now it will pull back a little today and it's had a remarkable run and that was a guy saying i have to blow it up. as strange as it is. procter is a great company and apple say great company. you have to blow it up and take a new direction. >> we'll talk more about procter and some of the problems in beauty and their guidance this
i think apple -- i have apple products. i love them. i think apple is doing a great job, but at the same time in this, this is a stock market and this is a sheer, difficult, harsh, judging machine that is the stock market, and i think tim cook is making a great product. apple's making a great product, but we already have one and we already have a lot of the stock and we don't want as much. am i being harsh? i'm saying the analyst community is harsh. now, procter & gamble, i know it's not...
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i guess it will be apple tv. >> apple tv is a logical extension of the largest screen that the ipad was, and bringing apps to the tv environment what everyone is trying to do. >> but they have a tv product. i have one at home. $99. a little black pox. >> it's not the real tv. >> why buy a $2,000 actual physical television when for 99 bucks i convert my physical television. >> today it doesn't have the one thing that made the iphone take off, which is applications. it was at revolution that really took off, what people could do from a personal assistant, games, entertainment and a corporate standpoint. >> dan, do you hear any chatter out there? >> we heard about channel checks, things around. this is probably a year and a half ago, two years ago. is there anything you've heard that gives you any sense that there's something coming. >> so i attempt not to recommend stocks based on chatter. what i would invest in investing in apple is a track record, a team. phenomenal balance sheet. they spend a lot on r&d. you can't predict what the next will be. everyone said tablets will never work. no
i guess it will be apple tv. >> apple tv is a logical extension of the largest screen that the ipad was, and bringing apps to the tv environment what everyone is trying to do. >> but they have a tv product. i have one at home. $99. a little black pox. >> it's not the real tv. >> why buy a $2,000 actual physical television when for 99 bucks i convert my physical television. >> today it doesn't have the one thing that made the iphone take off, which is applications....
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the apple guy in front is telling me these apples are fresher than the apple quarter. >> the consensus numbers need to come down. i once joked that the new products out of apple are terrible and @jimcramer. people think i'm serious. i think apple is a good company, it's just not going to have a good quarter. okay? okay? shoot me! my fault! >> how about barclays about lulu. >> here's what i'm hearing about lulu. i am hearing that the recall actually generated a level of love for lulu, that the customers, instead of avoiding lulu because of the sheer problem no. they're going to lulu and barclays agrees. this stock has been -- look, this is where they recalled the stuff, carl. right here is where the pants didn't work. this is the pants recall! and it turns out they're pantsing the bears. the bears are pantsed. >> that's a good call. fairway hoping investors will go on a shopping spree today. if you don't know this chain, it's a grocery chain going public and largely centered in new york. get ready for day three in what has been a wild week for the markets. the opening bell in just four
the apple guy in front is telling me these apples are fresher than the apple quarter. >> the consensus numbers need to come down. i once joked that the new products out of apple are terrible and @jimcramer. people think i'm serious. i think apple is a good company, it's just not going to have a good quarter. okay? okay? shoot me! my fault! >> how about barclays about lulu. >> here's what i'm hearing about lulu. i am hearing that the recall actually generated a level of love...
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a dayt apple fell below $400, now at 31.66 on the nasdaq composite, and the s&p down ten-plus points at 1541, and we are just moments away from earnings from the big three, ibm, microsoft, and google. we have them all covered for you. david garrity from gba research. >> wow. >> yeah, we're back on "power lunch" days. >> is that an octabox. >> jon fortt, josh lipton. first, heather hughes and rob malcolm, along with greg ip "the economist." everybody's in the water, so we can just jump in. heather, what do you make from the markets this week? what's the message from this very volatile market in your view? >> well, the markets have picked up volatility. before last week, the vix volatility measure was at all-time lows, since 2007. that, of course, has increased, but it will be interesting when we get these earnings numbers coming out now. of course, corporate profits, that's key. it seems like it's coming from revenue minus costs, we're cutting cost sides of the equation, not necessarily revenue and topline growth. it so will be interesting to see what those numbers are as we get them.
a dayt apple fell below $400, now at 31.66 on the nasdaq composite, and the s&p down ten-plus points at 1541, and we are just moments away from earnings from the big three, ibm, microsoft, and google. we have them all covered for you. david garrity from gba research. >> wow. >> yeah, we're back on "power lunch" days. >> is that an octabox. >> jon fortt, josh lipton. first, heather hughes and rob malcolm, along with greg ip "the economist."...
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gene, why don't we start with apple. this has been an incredible run up and then an incredible drop. below $400. is this somewhere you saw the stock going? >> no way. this is -- we thought there was a floor at 450, so this is a lot lower than we thought it was going to go. >> and at this point, now that it has reached 400 at least in the intra day trade, does that worry you that there is still more room to decline or do you think at this point it's stabilized? >> we think there's an opportunity here. the street numbers still need to get reset. we're 10% below the street for the june quarter. i think once these estimates get reset, that's the point where investors are going to start to get interesting. the southside still hasn't taken those nebs down. that's the real challenge here. >> you thought 450 was the bottom at 455 or at -- when did you make that prediction sflp. >> yeah. it was about three weeks ago. we basically took our numbers down. >> so when it was at 750, you thought the bottom was 700. when it was 7 hup, y
gene, why don't we start with apple. this has been an incredible run up and then an incredible drop. below $400. is this somewhere you saw the stock going? >> no way. this is -- we thought there was a floor at 450, so this is a lot lower than we thought it was going to go. >> and at this point, now that it has reached 400 at least in the intra day trade, does that worry you that there is still more room to decline or do you think at this point it's stabilized? >> we think...
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. >> it's interesting, that's the same thing people said about the shares of apple when they were selling off, that you had to sell your winners to pay for other stuff. >> if you need liquidity, you go where -- >> i think it's more japan than cyprus, don't you think? >> it's more dependent on cyprus? >> no. more japan than cyprus. >> there were rumors that cyprus was selling gold. >> i saw those rumors. >> to get it started, there were so many -- and it was pointed out yesterday, i think i was reading something from peter chip, who loves gold, that when it went up to a thousand or 1200, maybe that was all fundamentally true. but then once it went up to 1200, but then once all the investment guys that were having trouble getting returned in equities, once they saw that there was momentum there, all kinds of investment money went into it to try to chase return. >> but he was saying 1200 is fundamental? that's still down a couple hundred from where it is now. >> there were people saying 1260 people last week saying 800 or 900. >> so does bid coin track gold? >> apparently. apparently it coll
. >> it's interesting, that's the same thing people said about the shares of apple when they were selling off, that you had to sell your winners to pay for other stuff. >> if you need liquidity, you go where -- >> i think it's more japan than cyprus, don't you think? >> it's more dependent on cyprus? >> no. more japan than cyprus. >> there were rumors that cyprus was selling gold. >> i saw those rumors. >> to get it started, there were so many --...